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i've got two things to say. pay tribute to elizabeth taylor for all she did for aids, long before the government did anything. then go see "a place in the sun" and find out what young men's dreams are made of. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. more politics ahead with ce cenk uyger. >> welcome to the show, everybody. we start with libya tonight, of course, where there's questions about how the war is going and how long we'll be involved. defense secretary robert gates tried to answer one of those today, speaking in cairo. he said we could hand over operations by saturday. whoa. that is very early. president obama arrived back at the white house after cutting short the last leg of his overseas trip. earlier today, he emphatically ruled out the option of a ground rule in libya. >> a land invasion is out of the question. >> completely? >> absolutely. and the exit strategy will be
executed this week in tt senhe that we will be pulling back from our much more active efforts to shape the environment. >> that was clear, right? i'm getting a yes. clear. but apparently not clear enough for house speaker john boehner. he sent the president a letter today saying he's troubled that the u.s. military resources were committed to war without clearly defining the american people wf a mission and how to achieve that mission. and he says the president consulted with the u.n. but not congress. how dare the president actually care about anyone else in the world. do you remember when bush didn't give a damn about our allies and we went into iraq alone. how did that work out for us? oh, yeah. we'll have much more on the politics of this throughout the show. i want to give you more important news in the developments of libya today. day five of the air campaign and
the libyan air defenses are all but destroyed. today, the u.s. attacked military units loyal to gadhafi. but there are reports of snipers terrorizing citizens in misrata firing at people from roof tops. and a resident told the associated press a captured gadhafi fighter said he had ordered to turn zintan to a desert that will be smashed and flattened. u.s. officials say coalition forces are intercepting and attacking pro gadhafi proops who have tried to storm populated areas. and they managed to push become back ka dat fi tagadhafi tanks . as for gadhafi himself. he's digging in hi heels. he made a brief but defiant appearance on libyan tv. he told supporter, i am here, i am here, i am here.
dude i got it, i know, you're there. he said libyan would be victorious, leaving the united states and its allies in the dust bin of history. this guy is a total clown. when asked what he was doing, he said "winning. duh." which is exactly what he's not doing. joining me now is richard engle from benghazi. richard, you had a scary moment earlier today and i want to show that video in a second. but first, i want you to set it up for us. what happened earlier today? what happened earlier today is we went down to the rebel frontline. and yes, it's true that u.s. and allied air strikes have taken out a lot of gadhafi's hardware, his air defenses, some of his tanks when they're on the open roads and they definitely saved the city of benghazi, preventing a major assault on the city where i am right now. but a lot of desert after they
saw what happened to the vehicles as they were approaching benghazi. the vehicles still out in the field pulled back and went into towns like misrata. so today, we went down to the rebel frontline and the rebel frontline is about five miles outside of ajdabiya. gadhafi's forces are firing on the rebels, keeping them about five miles off, and they are continuing to fire into the city of ajdabiya itself, and according to witnesses, causing many, many casualties. and they're somewhat protected, the gadhafi forces because it's difficult to carry out air strikes on these tanks because they are actually in the city itself. what we saw, when we got to the frontli frontline, we were with the
rebels, they were struggling to advance and then we saw exactly why they were struggling as artillery rounds came falling around us, some of them very close. we were actually talking to one of the rebels and i was shocked when he showed me that his gun is actually knead of plastic. -- made of plastic. >> it's made of plastic. it's a toy. [ bombs exploding ] >> richard, that's really scary. what happened there? >> the artillery rounds landed. we heard three explosions. they were very close, maybe 50 yards away. the rebels scattered and regrouped in another area and they're going to try this again tomorrow. they're pushing to the frontline, seeing if they can get a little bit furtherer. but there's a range problem. it's about weapons. the rebels have mostly hand held
weapons, ak-47s, which is fire 400, 500 yards if you're good with it. they're not particularly skilled with these weapons, the ones not made of plastic. and the gadhafi forces have artillery that can have fire accurately for miles. >> if the tanks push into some of the cities, where are the rebels? i thought the rebels were inside the cities? and, you know, wouldn't that present a problem for nothose k tantan tanks to get out at some point? i'm a little unclear on where the two sides are. >> well, it ises a fluid revolution, or revolt. in ajdabiya, for example, they were trying, struggling to advance on the city. there are also rebels inside
ajdabiya itself. so in some ways, the gadhafi forces are trapped and surrounded and they're firing in both directions. fires to keep the rebels off them and firing into the small city of ajdabiya to punish the people and keep the rebels from overwhelming them. but it's not easy to simply run up and overwhelm a tank. there are about 30 tanks and artillery pieces in this area. hopefully from the rebel's perspective, the tanks will run out of fuel and ammunition and they'll be in a difficult position. but until that happens, they can cause a great deal of damage and witness accounts are they're causing many, many casualties in ajdabiya and still causing casualties on the rebels. at least five people were killed on the frontlines today. >> that's a great point. i was going to ask the same thing. at some point they're going to run out of ammunition if they're surrounded. that's an interesting development. i know it's tough at this point. but from what you've seen so far, do you have a sense of on
the ground who's got the advantage, the rebels or gadhafi? >> so far gadhafi's forces have the advantage where they are. there are more rebels than there are gadhafi forces, particularly in this area. we're just talking about a rebel-held area. but as long as the gadhafi forces have the weapons and the training and the expertise on how to use them, they still have the upper hand in the pockets where they're dug in. because the rebels just don't have -- they have the number, buthdot vehe ttil ily rch gha fce whey it was a huge help that the allied air strikes stopped the atta on benghazi. but what the rebels say they need now is trainer, advisers on the ground, they need close air support. if there were a few apaches or a-10s these are the kinds of aircraft and air force platforms that destroy tanks. if there were four of five of
them, they could probably eliminate all the tanks and then the rebels could move in quickly. but the a-10s and those apaches aren't here and the rebels aren't going to get them anytime soon from what i can tell. >>ry chad engel life from benghazi tonight, really appreciate it. fascinating report. i feel like i understand the situation on the ground a lot better now. joining me now is congressman mike capuano joins us. do you have reservations? >> i like the idea of humanitarian assistance, but i think we need a consistent policy on when we're going to use that. >> talk to me, if you were in charge, what would be your consistent policy. >> i think the constitution does require the president to come to congress to speak action. with those discussionsis differ sudan, egypt, yemen and congo. i'm not saying they should all
be the same. i accept the argument that sometimes military use for for humanitarian reasons is a good thing. but i also think we should have a general policy and i would like to have a better idea of what our strategy is. we started out as a no-fly zone. now we're in a no-tank zone. how much farther do we go and does the world go. and what's the ultimate objective. >> you see the facts we all see. what would have been your poll sni. >> i would have gone to the congress and had a discussion. obviously the president was convinced, and i respect that. i'm an err lain ardent supporter of this president and most of his policies. i would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt where i didn't do that in the past for other presidents. i still think, however, that have no individual -- has nothing to do with obama, democrat or republican -- no individual should bring this country to war. >> asking congress for authorization is a very fair point. liberals have made it,
conservatives have made it, a lot of people have made it on this program. how about on the merits. if he says i've asked you for authorization, can i go into libya, do you think a no-fly zone makes sense? >> it can make sense. but i don't think a no-fly zone is going to accomplish the goals they have. that's relatively easy. there are no flights going on by the libyan army or the libyan air force right now. so that technically already has been accomplished. so the question is what's next? what is the real agenda here. and number two, what about the next one? i'm the founder and co-chair of the sudan caucus. we've been watching darfur now for years. i have personally called for the u.s. military to be involved in sudan in the past in the middle of the genocide. no one listened, no one wanted to hear it and we had two million people lost their lives. >> so what's the difference, do you think? what makes the difference in an administration policy, they do not go into sudan and we do go
into libya. >> because we can do it. some things you want to do, you can't do. i want to ask, who makes that judgment and i think that should be done through the american people through their elected members of congress. the president actually has no role in declaring war. it is only the congress that declares war. and i'm not interested in technical issues of it. i don't think president obama, not president bush, not my mother should be in power to bring this country to war. >> we agree on that. no offense to your mother. listen, if you had your way, would you have gone into sudan if you were the president? >> well i would not have done it unilateral unilaterally, but as a member of congress, i called for that to happen. >> so if you would have gone into sudan, why would you not go into libya?
>> i never said i would not vote to do it, i just don't have enough information. the information i have is exactly what you have which is through the media. i know weave been told the arab league is in favor, and qatar is eventually going to accepted three or four planes but i would like to see 24 a little bit led by the arab league. if they want us to go in, they have military. egypt has several hundred planes, why are they not flying over libya? those are the kinds of questions i would like to ask. who's really doing this and what ri really t uim. >> joining me now from the center of american progress, brian thanks for joining us. appreciate it. as i look at this, i think hey, you know what, it looks like we're accomplishing some of the objectives that we wanted to. we want to give them a fighting chance in misrata. it looks like that's exactly
what's happening today? >> there's been progress in the last few days certainly when owe measure it against last week, which was a horrible week. but if you look at the goal stated in the u.n. resolution in 1973, protect the civilian population of libya, and the two means, which is the no-fly zone and the arms embargo. that may not be enough to meet the goal of protecting the libyan people, as we see in misrata and other places. i think this is going to be an ongoing military engagement for quite some time .ping the tricky thing will be the handoff to whatever european arab committee is in the formation that might take this over as soon as this saturday. i think that's going to be one of the trickier pieces. the other piece, i think the congressman has great questions that need to be answering. what is the actual end state we're looking for in libya? do we expect that gadhafi is going to step down? or is there some sort of negotiated settlement in the
works? those sorts of i thinks, it's good to get answers on them pretty soon. >> here's my argument. i say sad day, we don't live in a perfect world. we don't have black and whitish shoes in this case. a lot of people are saying we go in completely with ground troops or we don't go in at all. i say there is a possibility where you do a middle of the road approach. i know a lot of people say it's terrible. it depends on the circumstances. we give the guys a fighting chance to win, right? if they win, great. if they don't, gadhafi wins, well, i'm not going to go in because ground invasion is counterproductive. but at least want to give them a chance to topple gadhafi. do you think that's sensible in this case? >> i think it's a fair approach. one of the things that i would raise is the guise -- guys on the other side, we really have to develop a stronger understanding of who these guys
are, what their political intentions are. i know that's asking a lot. but before we go into deeper of what is a civil war, we really need to understand who we're throwing our support behind, and if we want to become the air force for a rebel group, we better have better knowledge than i think we have right now of this disparate tripe be of rebels. >> i'm scared to death of the guys in yemen and what that might bring us. those are legitimate concerns. but are you going to stop the massacre in benghazi right now or not? and we did stop it. i know the devil i got with gadhafi and i'm not interested in that devil. i've got to ask you one last question. you say clarity. john boehner says he wants clarity. the president is in a tough spot here. he can't say what i just said, even if he means it, even if he thinks it. he can't say listen, i'm going to give the guys a fighting chance. . they lose, well, that's a sad day but, you know, that's the middle of the road approach i'm
going with. that might make a son of sense, but he can't say that, right? >> i agree with you. far of the reason he's unclear is you' got a coalition management issue here. for the sorts of things you're talking about, you would actually need to have sign-off from a lot of countries like turkey, some arab members of thf coalition, which may not agree. we've got to admit that this coalition that's been put together is first impressive, but then second also quite fragile. you had five leading powers abstain from the u.n. resolution. and to push it further into offensive operations or to be an air force for the rebel groups will actually lead to more fractures wchb the international coalition that is attempting to come together in the meeting in brussels and things like this. >> that next stage is very important. totally agreed on that. brian, thanks for joining us this evening. everybody, we'll be right back.
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only 50% think president obama is handling the libyan crisis properly. that's an 18-point drop. that's crazy. it's the same, exact policy. but there's 18% of the country who refuses to support obama if he has the same position of them. i love that posion. oh, that's obama's position? messaging of the gop which is perpetual. and part is attributable to the propaganda machine. newt gingrich won't back the president no matter what he does. now here's gingrich a few weeks ago, hammering the president for not intervening in libya. >> what would you do about libya?
>> exercise a no-fly zone this evening. the united states doesn't need anybody's permission. we don't need to have nato who frankly won't bring much to the fight. we don't need to have the united states. >> so gingrich, definitely onboard for a no-fly zone. and he'll do it without the support of nato or the u.n. clearly he thinks it's the right move now, right? >> i would not have intervened. i think there are a lot of other allies in the region we would have worked with. i would not have used american and european forces. >> unreal! that's the same guy! he just totally flip flopped on it. why? because obama was on the other side. that's obama derangement syndrome to borrow a phrase. you'll disagree with your own stated position if obama agrees with you. that's mental. all right. you can see i'm worked up about
it. joining me now is sam cedar. which one is it? or is it all of the above? what is causing that 18-point enormous difference? >> well, i think it's -- i think it's both. to a certain extent, the country doesn't know what our policy is. it's one thing to say i agree with air strikes, i want to protect the people in benghazi. it's another thing to say where does this go? where is the -- what is the end game and where do we draw the line. and then on the flip side. i do mean flip. you look at what newt gingrich is doing. you look at guys like john mccain a couple of years ago was having dinner with gadhafi saying he's a great guy. he was even arguing we should send weapons to gadhafi, we found out through wikileaks. it's a combination the president hasn't gone out and explained
this policy to the american public. >> i don't think it's just about libya. the president is constantly getting hammered on things even when people agree with him. is he doing something wrong here in explaining his position? >> look, i don't think he's been aggressive enough in coming out and at the beginning of this, saying to the american public, this is where i draw the line. i still don't know. i mean, you know, i think i tend to agree with you and your prior guests. here's a guy, he's gone to the u.n., the u.n. has sanctioned this action, as opposed to iraq, where you had an illegal war stated by the u.n. it was an illegal war. if there was no iraq, if we didn't have this protract ed mission in afghanistan, most people would be completely onboard with this. you're protecting citizens. the question is where do you draw the line. you need reassurance with the president that you can draw the line at a certain point.
>> now, outside of libya. look, i think the president has to draw a line and say look, they say i'm divisive, right? that's exactly what they said with the clintons. if i was the president i would play those gingrich clips and say you see these guys? they're frauds. he seems to never fight back. >> look, i don't think the president should be commenting on newt gingrich's tv tour. frankly. but i think he needs to come out and leave no oxygen for a guy like gingrich to dance around like this because we need to be able to sit here. you and i would both have a tough time saying where does this end? where are we willing to go and where are we willing to stop? that's a problem obama has to communica communicate. i don't even know why newt gingrich is on tv at this point. that's. >> not even a pivot. he's teleporting into another position. >> i hear you on that. i appreciate you.
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lincoln day dinner. he's claimed for months now he's seriously interested in running. oh, please be quiet. you're not running. this is all one giant publicity stunt. who would let this dufus into the white house. whoo i are we taking reality stars like sarah palin and donald trump seriously. trump just government ripped by the situation of all people on a roast all about, you guessed it, donald trump. how presidential. best way to get a campaign rolling, go on stage and have snoop dogg mock you. if anyone doubted him, which i absolutely do, trump wanted to make people aware that he's very wri rich and his millions will give him a huge advantage if he decides to run. >> you would put up $600 million for this? >> absolutely. >> do you have $600 million to spare? >> i have much more than that. part of the beauty of me is that i'm very rich. so if i need $600 million, i can
put up $600 million myself. that's a huge advantage. >>'ll how unbearable is this guy? by the way, i don't believe him at all. i don't think he's anywhere near that rich. he's all hype and nonsense. but one part is true. given all that hype and nonsense, he does belong in the republican primary. all right, now health care reform one year later. and republicans are still shamelessly distorting it. former governor ed rendell and the politics of health care and the new conservative spin, the white house is beneath sarah palin. she should be the next oprah. please.
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will change our country forever. >> you get it? 1 in 5 people have to die because they went to socialized medicine. >> this program of government option, being touted as being the panacea, the savior of allowing people to have quality health care at an affordable price is going to kill people. >> we're about 24 hours from armageddon.on. eof get out of town. in fact, we're all still here. and not only was there no armageddon, but a lot of people are already better off because of parts of the bill that are already in place. for example, plans now have to provide free preventive care. kids can stay on their insurance plan until they're 26 years old, meaning more people are covered. insurance plans can no longer
deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions. in 2014, that policy will be extended to everyone. and ensures plans can no longer drop your coverage when you get sick. i want you to think about that one for a second. what kind of a joke system we have where insurance can drop you if you get sick. what's the hell is the point of insurance? i got insurance in case i get sick, right? they're obsessed with profits. well, look, if the guy is sick he's going to cost us more money. let's get him out of here. in my opinion, the bill didn't go far enough. we're still so many ways at the mercy of those private insurance companies. but what was the down side of the ex-tra protections we gained from the bill. nothing. there was no armageddon. all these people didn't drop dead. but of course, that didn't stop republican leaders from insisting the law is a disaster, based on absolutely no facts. both house speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell released
videos today, doubling down on their doomsday scenarios and their intention to get rid of health care reform entirely. >> one year ago today, over the objections of the american people, the disastrous health spending bill that washington democrats rammed through with a partisan vote became law. >> instead of creating jobs, employers have been handed more uncertainty and more headaches. in the coming weeks you eel see more votes and more hearings in the house. and to take this law apart step by step. we'll do whatever we can to ensure that obamacare is never fully implemented. >> i was amused by the ram through with partisan votes. how else do you get the bill through? you take a partisan vote and you win, it becomes a law. why are they doing this twhoel effort to kill health care reform now? because the heart of the legislation gets implemented in 2014 and the republicans believe they will never be able to reverse it after that time because people will see the reality rather than their
propaganda. that's why they're trying to kill it before it actually goes into full effect. 1 out of 5 people? of course not. they're so over the top, i can't believe anyone believes them anymore. but this is how they win. they substitute fear for facts and hope that you panic. all right, joining me now is ed rendell, former pennsylvania governor and msnbc political analyst. was it a mistake to wait till 2014 for these things to get implemented. you were going to get four years of republican fear mongering until then. >> well, no, it's going to take that time to set up the exchanges and do it right. i think the president was intent on doing it right. but i agree with you. people are starting to change. you know, you see the health care bill get more and more supporters as time goes on. two things you didn't mention is that every senior who had to lose prescription drug coverage because of doughnut hole got a
$250 check this year. even and in the next three weeks, 25 businesses are going to file their income tax returns, federal income tax returns and they're going to get a substantial tax credit for offering their employees health care insurance. so the facts are belying all the b.s. rhetoric, i'm sorry, i almost said a bad word, but all the b.s. rhetoric, and the rhetoric you played was unbelievable. socialism? this bill kept the private insurance health care delivery system intact. it kept business and private sector in the bill. it's not single payer at all. government option? didn't those guys realize -- and a lot of critics said he did the wrong thing -- took the government option out of the bill. but these guys continue to lie, even though they know what they're saying is untrue. it's not socialism. there is no government option. the private insurance system is still intact and best of all,
the insurance reforms, the things that you and i just named are starting to come into effect, and they're coming into effect now, and even better than atn president challenged all of these republican governors who kept sayi ining it's a disaster for states. he said okay, we'll y a cnown syemcorsasan people and costs the same or less than our bill, we'll give you the waiver. it's put up ore shut up time. and guess twha? no one is going to put up.re itn he didn't do it, right? we knew they were going to lie like that. they call him a socialist and a maoist no matter what he does. given that, shouldn't the president have actually done the public option? you know, if they're going call him all this stuff, actually be progressive and actually challenge the monopoly of the insurance coverage. >> that or drop the medicaid age
down to 55 as joe lieberman one of either of those things should have been included in this bill. it would have made it better, stronger, it would have put competition in. but with the exchanges, you're going to see these private insurance companies, many of whom have had monopolies in many areas in the country, they're going to have to compete and lower their prices because of the exchanges. >> all right, governor ed rendell, thanks so much for your time tonight. >> thanks. hang in there. up next, the death panel myth to a new low. the comments are shameful. we're going to break that down. and congressman debbie wasserman-shultz fights back on the republican crusade to kill health care reform next. ♪
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welcome back to the show. republans have been relentless in their crusade to kill health care reform. ron johnson marked the law's one-year anniversary with an op-ed, arguing his now adult daughter who was born with a heart defect wouldn't have survived if the new health care law had been in place. he wrote, quote, i don't even want to think what might have happened if she had been born at a time and place where government defined with the limits for most insurance policies and set precedence on what would be covered. would the life-saving procedures that saved her have been deemed cost-effective by policymakers deciding where to spend increasingly scarce tax dollars? >> that's just a new way to say death panels. it's sti it's sick and wildly disingenuo disingenuous. it doesn't prevent you from getting private health insurance at all. it's a deception. it's a lie. in fact, it makes the insurance
companies richer.. that's why i didn't like it. but there currently are death panels. they're run by private insurance companies who tell you your kid has a pre-existing condition and they will not cover her. if that had been in place at that time, god knows what would have happened for an average person in wisconsin. now the johnsons are incredibly rich so they probably don't have to worry about any of this. but for an average person if your kid is born with that problem. too bad, pre-existing condition for the baby. that's what this bill is fixing. meanwhile, there are plenty of examples of people whose lives have been saved by the new law. the white house released a video today of several phone calls president obama has had with people who benefitted from it. >> if it wasn't for you, i probably wouldn't be here right now. that's from the bottom of my heart. >> it means so much. you would have had trouble buying health insurance. >> without the pre-existing insurance plan, i would not be able to have continued my
treatments beyond that radiation. >> providing health insurance for my employees is so vital. the laws that have been passed are a good start for us personally. >> all right, and those people who are helped aren't isolated cases. the department of health and human services reports that since the health care law went into effect, 3.8 million people who hit the medicare doughnut held received a $250 rebate check to help them cover their drug costs. 1.2 adult children have become eligible to stay on their marnt parents' health care plan. 12,000 people who were previously denied coverage for a pre-existing condition are now covered. there are 129 million americans with pre-existing conditions who will no longer have to worry about being denied coverage if the plan makes it all the way to 2014. this is personal for so many people because it's their life on the line. so when people lie about it and pretend it's the insurance companies sticking up for you
and the government who doesn't want you to get treated? well, people take it personally. because that's the exact opposite of the truth. joining me now is congresswoman debbie wasser-man shultz from florida. that made me sick. that's what we're trying to prevent. if someone has a pre-existing condition, they can't just throw them out in the street. >> you know, ron johnson is just whorrendously irresponsible for distorting the truth and as you said, lying about what the affordable care act does for children. if ron johnson's daughter was bourn today, under the affordable care act, cenk, his daughter would be able to get coverage and not be dropped or denied coverage because of her pre-existing condition and would be covered all the way through her life. it's just unbelievable to me during the debate on health care
reform before the law was passed the death panels scared people into believing somehow the government was going to be making health care decisions on who lives, who dies. you know, we know that's not true. and they're trying to dredge stuff like that up again. the bottom line is, you know, the benefits that have kicked in on health care reform are already helping millions of people. i stood with some of those people today in my district. lanie shultz, who's a breast cancer survivor who is able to stay on her parents' insurance because of that law, i stood with patsy cohen, the sweet 81-year-old little lady today who literally before health care reform was deciding whether to buy her medicine or whether her and her husband could pay their electric bill so they could have air conditioning. we're from south florida. that's a big deal down here. i also stood with another woman donna who has two issues. she was able to put both her
young adult sons back on her insurance after health care reform became law when they graduated from college. and they would have lost their insurance, and she also was able to make sure that her parents who fell into the doughnut hole got that $250 payment and now this year alone, when they fall in that doughnut hole will have a 50% cut in prescription drugs. >> but congresswoman, look, i didn't think the legislation went far enough. we discussed that in the past. the problem is, there are death panels. they're called insurance companies. >> exactly. >> i'm not saying they're evil people. the problem is the system. the system is set up so they have to make a profit. if they have to make a profit, treating you is really expensive. that's why they deny all these people. i know people who had pre-existing conditions, they were denied coverage and they died. so -- >> cenk, as you know, i'm a breast cancer survivor myself.
i was diagnosed three years ago at 41. and, you know, thank god i caught it early and i had health insurance. and i could afford my co-pays for mammograms and i could get those. i was able to detect my breast cancer early. i have women stop me all the time in the grocery store on the ball field and they tell me that they skip those mammograms because they don't have health insurance or they can't afford the co-pays and as a result, they're rolling the dice. that's just crushing to me. there is a literally 98% cure rate when you detect breast cancer early. when you detect breast cancer at a late stage, the cure rate is only 27%. you're right, it is a matter of life or death. we're one job loss away when you have a pre-existing condition from being uninsurable. and that's -- that's unacceptable, and that's what health care reform did for americans.
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as sheen says winning! so what do you do if you're a conservative commentator whose audience thinks sarah palin can do no wrong. that's easy. claim palin is more powerful skbro outside of the white house and being president of the united states would be a step down for her. co some conservatives are saying it would be a step down. andrew breitbart said i think the presidency is beneath her. there's more power in being oprah winfrey than in being barack obama. first of all, she ain't going to be oprah either. second of all, beneath her? please. if tv trumps the white house,
what am i, president of the world? that's the dumbest theory i've ever heard! so of course, ann coulter agrees. she believes it would be crazy for palin to make a run for the white house because she's really good at fwetweeting about death panels. >> i love her. i think she could win the nomination. i love her for how she makes liberal heads explode. i wrote the conservative of the year piece on sarah palin. but i think it would be a step down for her to run for president. it's like saying rush limbaugh should run for president. she's huge. she has enormous power. she sends out a twitter on death pa panels and everyone goes crazy about it. >> she's more powerful? do you think we could have stopped gadhafi's tanks from palin's tweets? where do they get this crazy theory that you're more powerful out of office? >> my choice is to take a